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GL isn't dying. It's being reborn.

One of the things that surprised me the most about the Sunny/Pierogi situation was the reactions everyone else had to Sunny's dead mom insult. In my eyes it was just an ordinary insult, and I thought people were going way overboard with their reactions to what she said.

Then last night it hit me. I grew up in a broken household with an emotionally neglectful mom. I mentioned this in the OP, but I'm no contact with my family and that's not changing anytime soon.

I'll never see that insult the same way that someone with a loving caring mother would, because it's a pain I'll never experience. Jabba is in the same boat as me, and it makes sense that the people who don't have an issue with what Sunny said are all people who don't have good relationships with their parents.

Think whatever you want about me/Jabba for our reactions to the comment. All I want is for someone to understand why I felt more for Sunny than I did for Pierogi.

Btw, if you saw Sunny's comment and felt like it was the worst thing she could say to someone, that means you have a good mother and you shouldn't take that for granted.
In the interest of coming at you from a place of compassion, I'll try to explain it at least in part. I'm at work so if it ends up a bit rushed, forgive me.

The context is extremely crucial, as is the nature of the comment.
It wasn't a joke. It was said with the intent to hurt. And it was said knowingly to someone who had let themselves be vulnerable on that specific subject. Who had bared how much it hurt, how awful it has been to live through, and how much it wrecked them.
And sunny knowingly, intentionally, for half an hour made repeated comments doubling down over and over on mocking that grief and loss.
The specific is awful on its own merit. It's an awful comment to make. No ifs or buts. Mocking grief is always an asshole move.

But even if you cannot relate to the specific... You should be able to empathise with the general. To have your weakest moment, your most vulnerable spot, repeatedly hammered while everyone looks on. By your own account, you've been bullied, so you should know just how much that can mess you up. That's why people are so up in arms. This wasn't just a spiteful comment or an in the heat of the moment jab. This was repeated, with intent, without remorse.
I hope this helps with understanding the perspective many others have into this and why it might ring hollow to hear explanation or justification for Sunny's actions or the perception you have of it. Because by most people's metrics, it was frankly cruel.
 
...there's another one?
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I'll never see that insult the same way that someone with a loving caring mother would, because it's a pain I'll never experience. Jabba is in the same boat as me, and it makes sense that the people who don't have an issue with what Sunny said are all people who don't have good relationships with their parents.

Think whatever you want about me/Jabba for our reactions to the comment. All I want is for someone to understand why I felt more for Sunny than I did for Pierogi.
I want the record to show that Rhaz and I are not in this specific boat together.

The comments made were absolutely horrible to make about a deceased loved one.

Since I'm clarifying this, I might as well add that I was also not particularly moved by your personal anecdote when I changed my mind about the bans referenced.

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I want the record to show that Rhaz and I are not in this specific boat together.

The comments made were absolutely horrible to make about a deceased loved one.

Since I'm clarifying this, I might as well add that I was also not particularly moved by your personal anecdote when I changed my mind about the bans referenced.

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If they were so horrible, why did you refuse to consider anything past a one day timeout?

Why weren’t you the one handling your discretionary mod’s behavior?

Why did you completely minimize sunny’s actions in your announcement on April 21st, instead using it as an opportunity to ban people you didn’t like?

Is there any truth to the comments from multiple admins+ that you were staffing while high on April 20th, when sunny made those comments?

You’re just as bad as she is.
 
GL isn't dying. It's in the process of a transformation started by the Big Red and while he'll never tell you what goals he has in mind, they're adamantly present and clear based on his actions and words (as well as the lack of such).

@Agennon
Not that I am exempt from this point, but you can't give people as a leader a series of expectations and asking them to provide "good faith" interactions when you yourself witnessed something sick and vile being done, only to completely ignore it, refuse to acknowledge it, then having to be SHAMED into punishing said person for longer when the ORIGINAL person who extended the ban was actually afraid that they would be demoted from all of their roles for it.

Think about that. A person who believed that said aggressor deserved longer than a DAY and worrying about losing their roles here because they were worried that they went against your direction.

How do you get to sit here as a leader and expect others to follow in your footsteps when you go against everything you've been asking for Giants Lair to stand for? What expectation do you want them to have that shows good faith
when you witnessed a man's dearly departed mother (may she rest in peace) being desecrated with the sole intent to hurt the son and you did NOTHING.

You outright weren't going to ban them at least anywhere near what they deserved, and now you've continued to ignore all of the problems that been caused by this and many other things.

You don't get to wish ANYONE happy mother's day after you took someone who is closely associated with you and even did business with and ignored their pleas and their traumatic and vulnerable moments. You refused to at some points punish said person for what they said.
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Good vibes? Chill environment? You left this place to burn despite everyone politely and albeit sometimes impolitely trying to point you in any direction that wasn't outright ignoring the problem, hoping the people who have a problem go away, and go get drunk late-night fishing. You have threads on threads discussing these points, trying to be as nice as possible trying to show you that there's more than one viewpoint. Not every single one is polite, but people TRIED.

Getting told to drop this and that people are trying to move on, when in reality they are also just tired of the shit you pulled and how little you care by your lack of interaction.

I even pointed out that these people needed you to speak to them, and you told me "You get more flies with honey" as if you're throwing some ancient Chinese proverb filled with wisdom that would open my eyes or maybe give me or anyone else reading it some perspective on how you feel. Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

I keep getting told that people need to learn and move on from this, but while you're still here, that wound will not heal - especially when you think ignoring it and fishing in the middle of the night is your only solution.

You had people that put money, time, and effort into this place, and frankly it's sickening watching you try to just walk past this and expect others to just blindly continue building your community for you knowing all it takes for you to bring it down is that you don't vibe with the message.

This place cannot heal while you ignore it. This place cannot truly move forward with you choosing to believe that the solution is to continue to ignore it.

While you act with cowardice and refuse to either acknowledge the situation one way or another.

I don't care about "kicking the hornet's nest" any longer. I've been nothing but wishy-washy on how I exactly want to support this place, and frankly I am tired of believing that it can be saved while you still choose to do this.

Do better.

Your forums most active threads since that day were the Farewells and general threads speaking to you directly. Does that mean anything to you? How much fishing or smoking weed do you think it will take before you can feel better about ignoring the true problems of your community?

Do what you have to do after this, but frankly it saddens me that you've made my friends feel like shit, and it saddens me as a fellow human to see you acting so cruelly. It saddens me that people even have to fight with you this much to a point where they have almost complete certainty that you'll never acknowledge any of this again and hopes to just have a fun place to hang out again.

You lost sight of that all. Lost sight on what you want to be, what you want this community to be, and what you want to be as a leader.

You've changed.
 
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