The Dumbest Death of a Server

Random Props said:
Love ya rog, but with all due respect, I think this entirely misses the points that I think Cel is making here. This also applies to what Noct posted.

Things are very clearly still not where they were pre-drama. The TTT server is pretty much completely dead aside from the occasional repop every so often. Minecraft still hasn't fully gotten off the ground. We've lost a lot of people over, to be frank, stupidity and drama that, with most of us being in our late teens and 20s, you'd think we'd be able to work through. We aren't in high school anymore.

I agree that this stifling still stems from a seemingly lack of change. There might be a lot of discussions going on behind closed doors in staff and leadership channels, but to us in the public, and I think a lot of people would agree with me, that we haven't seen much of actual quantitative evidence of actionable change. I feel personally a bit frustrated by this. I'm glad Leads feel like they have a bit more autonomy, but it's become very evident that more is necessary. Hence, we're still stuck in this complete downward spiral.

This is the part I could not agree with Cel more on. We hear things about how changes are coming - my big question is, when? It's been over a month since everything happened. The bureaucratic process that has been talked about time and time again still feels like it's well in effect - and it's going to kill this community if that doesn't change.
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I wasn't making some grandiose point with the screenshots I posted beyond "wow another thread let me see how many we've ma- jesus christ" and it made me laugh.

Now, It made me laugh because I think asking jabba to have the elephant "addressed directly, and bluntly," has a level of absurdity to it after how many times that has been asked, purely because it's clearly not going to happen in the way a lot of you think it should. It can repeated that it should happen if you wish I guess, but I personally don't find that to be entirely a good use of anyone's time, or anyone's energy in getting frustrated over anymore. I very much am also sure the working on himself or changing himself thing is not going to result in him coming back with a grand public statement of admittance of wrongdoing. It will be much more mellow and measured than that.

That's the only part of it I really have a take on, I don't know about and haven't partaken in any discussions about change or what TTT / MC / CS2 looks like.
 

CelDamage said:
The thing is I don't hate Jabba, but what is currently going on now here is what I have seen in several communities in the past and it's the main reason why I'm not on the side still making any effort to fix things; no matter how much you guys try to push the positive change it will always be bogged down as long as the leader who caused the issues remains on top and remains largely unaffected in the public facing sphere. If Jabba changed, not performatively but simply like a leader should in times like these, odds are you would've seen me and Props back and maybe even others. From what I have witnessed the past month or so is why I have remained apathetic and cynical, and I hate saying that because I don't want to direct that cynicism towards anybody who has poured their heart out to trying to patch things up, but it needs to be said.

I don't believe it a safe option at all to just ignore the elephant in the room and just pat him on the back and go "don't worry buddy we will fix things for you" because that doesn't fix the root problem, it just leaves it to fester as animosity remains a constant because, while good things are happening from you guys, it will constantly be overshadowed until that issue is uprooted. I have talked to several people who felt one of the core issues what that upper staff essentially employed gentle parenting tactics on the owner when they disagreed or tried steering the conversation in a direction they wanted, it never worked. I have heard that it has changed a bit, but it's not enough and no offense to anybody, it's still not nearly quick enough to prove to the community that you guys mean business. I know you guys have tried, but I have also seen just how futile it is. I don't want to say it's too little too late and I hate being a doomer, but from my experience, you guys are doing things detrimentally out of order by chugging forward and just neglecting the elephant.
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Dw cel just gotta sit back and watch from the chair 🪑 and see
 
anna said:
thats not very Christian of you, those with true faith in God wouldnt relish in the demise of others 🤷‍♀️
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This is true! However, God did confuse the people of the Tower of Babel, flood the Earth, and brought ruin to Babylon, all of which for the demise of people who He ruled deserved it because of pride.

Based upon what I’ve read, it seems that leadership caused the demise of this community, which is where my well deserved comment came from. I’m not gonna argue over a seemingly dead community lol. I just had to come see what the haps was with my own eyes.

I’d be more than open for a spirited discussion with you so you can understand my point of view instead of just saying my faith isn’t real because I’m happy people are sticking up for themselves and finally seeing what I saw months ago.
 
RobertClark2 said:
instead of just saying my faith isn’t real
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This is a common and repeated issue in Giant's Lair. People on GL feel a little too comfortable to attack people's religion in this place.

Giant's Lair is one of the most bigoted and hateful places I have ever had the displeasure of existing in.
 
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