Investigating Weiss's TTT Report Against Zyp; Pixie Dimitri

[Weiss]

Your IGN

Weiss​

Your SteamID

STEAM_0:0:41290763​

Reported Player's IGN

Zyp; Pixie Dimitri​

Reported Player's SteamID

STEAM_0:1:76063763 STEAM_0:0:149133622​

Map(s) incident occured

Metropolis​

Reason for Report

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your rules say no prop surfing to unreachable areas​

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the bottom area of metropolis is not unreachable even if you can get there *easier* by prop surfing. even sgm allowed that area despite their own very very similar rule set (shit it might even be the same rules idk)​

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i can show you and quite a few other people as well how to get there without having to manipulate any props or anything to get there. you just have to land on the geometry of a trash can.​

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now - if you want to make it an illegal area, kill box it or remove the trash can or add the exception to your rules. as is, your rules dictate that the bottom area of metropolis is a-okay to go to.​

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in addition, zyp tped me to get me out - without warning - and it got me killed because he placed me close to an edge. reason for the marked mods is that they were the only ones actually unstucking people.​

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EDIT: i should specify- im not looking for vindication or anything. i just want a clarification on the rules. the place is allowed by the rules atm, so if you dont want it allowed, change the rules. and i think if you do unstuck without someone asking for it in the first place, you should at least warn them or not place them in dangerous positions​

Evidence and Witnessess

i dont record but the mods know what im talking about​

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i can record evi of the very easy ability to get down there if you want me to​

Time & Time Zone

approx 1:40-1:40pm PST​

 

[Etch-A-Sketch]

@Zyp @Pixie Dimitri

 

[Zyp]

Hey Weiss, I have seen this report and I am uploading the clips I have of it currently. However, we did verbally warn multiple people including yourself that it is an unintended area and considered unreachable, we had used !unstuck multiple times on multiple players. Specifically Guy, you, and Adrian were all !unstuck 'd multiple times throughout all 6 rounds. We said please do not go down, and you guys continued.



The wording on the rules should be fixed. However how we have been informed as staff has been that unreachable areas are included, and that this area is considered unreachable by all intended purposes. As such you were teleported and warned.

 

[Weiss]

> However, we did verbally warn multiple people including yourself that it is an unintended area and considered unreachable, we had used !unstuck multiple times on multiple players.

mods don't have discretion to make this assumption, by any part of the current rule set it is not unreachable. its not included in any of the map-specific rules and still does not fall under any of the listed rules that you and i have understood as the basis of this conversation. should probably update the rules to include moderator discretion to this extent if this is something you want to just instantly start to enforce.

how we have been informed as staff has been that unreachable areas are included, and that this area is considered unreachable by all intended purposes.

if this is the case, then rules should be updated immediately it is not fair to players for a rule update to be made behind the scenes and then hold those players to a rule update that they dont know about.

 

[Etch-A-Sketch]

I just want to respond with this, Weiss Refer to the 2nd rule on the !motd if you were ordered warning and instruction multiple times you should have refrained from doing it again.

 

[Lightning]

@Weiss I've seen this and will await the response by my mod.

Please stand by!

 

[Noctorious]

Tagging Zyp's admin @Husky

 

[Siddo]

As it may become pertinent to the verdict of this report, please be aware that since the creation of this report, the rules have been clarified. They now more accurately reflect the ruling as it is applied.

This is being posted only for clarity's sake. Please bear in mind that any discussions regarding this clarification are better suited to other threads - this report is not the place to have them.

Spoiler: Prop Rule #3 - Updated

 

[Husky]

Hey Weiss. I apologize for the experience you have had on the server.

One major rule of moderators is that they follow their rules provided to them to the letter, and generally must go to an admin or greater for discretion regarding rulings like this.

Something to keep in mind about this situation is that Zyp had acted on what were considered the rules and protocol at the time. You are correct to say that that area is in fact reachable without the use of props, and should be able to be accessed in theory.

The problem with "unreachable" areas is that they tend to cause delays in the game, which makes things uncomfortable for everyone waiting, especially during overtime or the end of a round.

So whether or not you had a right to as of the current rules be there - you were warned to attempt to leave that area or risk being slain/brought. You had clearly seen others being brought for the same reason. It was inevitable you'd be brought for the same reason had you not complied.

Zyp did nothing wrong in this capacity and was acting on what he knows in the listed protocol. Next time please refrain from trying to access unintended areas of the map.

Report Invalid. I will not be locking it up as @Lightning will need to give his two cents regarding his side.

Thank you for the report, and thank you for your continued support to the server.

 

[Pixie Dimitri]

Hello, so sorry for the late response!

So the matter of the report on me, firstly l do understand your frustrations about it and I am in no way trying to belittle them.

From my part, Zyp asked in staff chat if someone could unstuck you as you were down on the floor of the map. I said I would do it, as being apart of a team we help each other out. You were warned, as well as others not to do so hence why anyone who was on the floor of the map was getting unstucked.

I will also add that people being on the floor of the map was causing delays on the progression of the game, so add that with the warns, I do believe what Zyp and myself did was warrented within our protocols.