I just want to respond with this, Weiss
View attachment 56 Refer to the 2nd rule on the !motd if you were ordered warning and instruction multiple times you should have refrained from doing it again.
noting on this; the
very general wording of that rule is dangerous. not to say i expect any staff to abuse this rule as-is but, as-is, this rule basically makes it so that any staff can tell me to stop talking just because they dont like how im talking to them and i
have to comply. "have to" is a strong phrase, but that's what that 3 rule blurb entails- otherwise i can be kicked or even banned.
this is much better, and more accurately expresses what is expected of players and what they can and cannot do. though i do recommend at that point, the rule header should be adjusted to "Prop Surfing / Unreachable Areas" because otherwise it can still be very easily misconstrued that only prop surfing to unreachable areas is the primary issue.
understandable until the point of delays- at no point during the time that we played this map did anyone delay the round who happened to be on the floor. i wont argue about the map at length here because it just isnt really the place; but even without any moderator intervention, no player on the bottom was hiding to escape dying, or was a traitor unable to kill people at the top, or anything of the sort.
in addition- the traitors have access to the exact same method of reaching the bottom floor as innos do, it isn't destroyable, so if they want to come down to make it easier to kill me, they very much so can.
One major rule of moderators is that they follow their rules provided to them to the letter, and generally must go to an admin or greater for discretion regarding rulings like this.
Something to keep in mind about this situation is that Zyp had acted on what were considered the rules and protocol at the time. You are correct to say that that area is in fact reachable without the use of props, and should be able to be accessed in theory.
The problem with "unreachable" areas is that they tend to cause delays in the game, which makes things uncomfortable for everyone waiting, especially during overtime or the end of a round.
So whether or not you had a right to as of the current rules be there - you were warned to attempt to leave that area or risk being slain/brought. You had clearly seen others being brought for the same reason. It was inevitable you'd be brought for the same reason had you not complied.
Zyp did nothing wrong in this capacity and was acting on what he knows in the listed protocol. Next time please refrain from trying to access unintended areas of the map.
keeping this full because there's specifics that i want to address here.
first you say that Zyp acted on what the rules and protocol were- okay. and then you also agree with me that
at that point, i was accessing an area that is accessible based upon the present protocol. but then at the last line, you circle back and suddenly say that the listed protocol that zyp followed was right? so which of the two is it, is zyp's ruling and protocol correct and that the bottom zone is inaccessible and therefore he should tp me up; or was the rules at the time correct in allowing me to be down there because i dont have to prop surf?
if you're trying to argue that the virtue of delaying is the reason that his ruling is right and that gives him the right to tp me, zyp should have evidence that proves that my (or others) being there was the cause of delays occurring during the round. i suppose since i dont have my own video evidence, you'd have to take me by my words or maybe look in the logs of that round, but there were no delays that even started because of people being on the ground floor. people were being teleported even before overtime had begun, if that's where the beginning of a basis of "delaying" starts.
however, there isn't a basis of delaying listed in the rules, so realistically anyone can be delaying even 2 seconds into the start of the round if they decide to lock themselves in a room and restrict methods for the traitors to get to them, because they're postponing an effort for the Ts to kill them, right? and there isn't even a listed punishment to go along with what happens if you are "delaying". is a camping inno going to get teleported out of a room in inno motel that they've managed to block the door of? or is it just a slay, even if they cant physically get out of the room anymore by their own methods?
all of this said, i do want to reiterate, there is no bad blood or intentions i have with bringing this up or being a stickler for how rules are worded; and im not even looking for punishment. what i am trying to do is try to get an idea of how exactly you want to run this server, because as of right now, there's a lot of holes that honestly i didn't even recognize until i really combed through your extended rules. of which, i do plan on giving suggestions towards. sorry, if i come across as anal about it all- but having holes in your rules can just make for even rougher times in the future.
