Okay, let's wrap this report up in a grand box with a nice bow and send it to it's conclusion, shall we? Surely!
@Weiss
*On the subject of accessibility of this map's ground level:
As for what I can gleam from inspecting the map in 1p mode, the area on the "ground level" of this map is indeed not intended to be populated at any time by it's original creator. (A user simply called "TC") I tried several times to fall to the ground level, only to be met with death every time. This would clearly indicate that TC intended for players to remain atop the buildings at all times.
As for your method of "landing on the geometry of a trashcan" to access the ground level, I would argue that you are taking advantage of a blip/glitch in the physics of the game or the game engine itself to circumvent the map design as TC intended. This offset of damage in landing on the trashcan obviously allows you to survive by changing the vectors of travel, as well as their magnitudes, to allow a more "safe" landing. By this logic, plus that in the previous paragraph, you are indeed circumventing the intended design of the map by exploiting a known flaw in the game/game engine. I further contend that if TC had intended for people to reach the ground level, that more easy methods to do so would've been added during the design phase of the map.
*On the subject of round delay:
I find that by going back to the ground level of the map after being both warned and brought back "in-bounds" by
@Zyp and
@Pixie Dimitri , that you did indeed cause not only a delay in the time period of a map, but also tied up those staff member's time in having to deal with these actions by yourself and others.
Part 3 of the rule on Camping and Delaying states that "Delaying is when you postpone an effort to fulfill an objective, or timer stall." You violated both parts of this rule. You've not only postponed the 2 key objectives of the game (The Innocent finding and eliminating the Traitors, and vice versa) and also caused timer delay as well by continually going down there. You are postponing your objective as an inno to actively hunt the T's, and making it more difficult for the T's to fulfill their objective of killing you, by intentionally placing more distance between yourself and the T's as well as going down there to "do your own thing". You might be able to consistently land on the trashcan to avoid damage, but that doesn't mean that everyone has the same level of skill. You might be able to accurately shoot people from the ground, but others might also not be as adept at shooting you from the top of the buildings. Also, going down there unnecessarily lengthened the rounds, which can cause server pop to decrease.
To put it into perspective, if this was DarkRP, you'd definitely be facing a sit for FailRP for doing this.
*On the subject of the rules:
Let's not lie to each other here. There's
never going to be a ruleset that covers every single contingency. To say otherwise would be unwise and a straight up fallacy. While you do have a valid point that there are holes in our rules, your explanation of these holes in our rules to justify your actions is just being pedantic.
Rule 2 of the general rules states "Comply with any warning or instruction given by the staff team." This allows our staff to fill in these holes in our rules at least for the time being by allowing them to give on-the-spot instructions while a change to the rules is being suggested, considered, and implemented.
By going back down to the ground level after being told not to, you opened yourself up to staff actions, to include bringing and (potentially) mid-round slays.
Also, I'm going to take issue with a particular point you've made:
noting on this; the very general wording of that rule is dangerous. not to say i expect any staff to abuse this rule as-is but, as-is, this rule basically makes it so that any staff can tell me to stop talking just because they dont like how im talking to them and i have to comply. "have to" is a strong phrase, but that's what that 3 rule blurb entails- otherwise i can be kicked or even banned.
You're making a slippery slope fallacy here. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it will. We take our roles as staff members seriously, and hold ourselves to a higher standard than everyone else. I suspect very strongly that any staff member who would do anything remotely similar to this would find themselves swiftly demoted to player.
On the subject of staffing:
Our staff works as a team to deal with any rule violations or disturbances to the server environment. This means that a staff member can issue a staff action without prior involvement with the situation at hand. However, the staff member will usually have already communicated with other staff and come to a full understanding of the situation before doing so.
To Conclude:
1. I find that the portion against my mod Pixie Dimitri is invalid.
2. The admin Husky has found the portion of the report against their mod Zyp is invalid.
Due to these I will be closing this report and marking it as invalid.
If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact me or Husky, or our Lead Admins Noctorious or Uncle Dad.
Report:
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