Completed Husky's Minecraft Report Against Zypther

[Husky]

Your IGN

PraiseJinx​

Reported Players IGN

Zypther​

Time and Time Zone

8:30 PM, EST​

Reason for Report

Hello. I hope you're all well.

I want to preface by saying I don't hold ill will to what happened, nor will I continue this after the resolution of this forum report has been completed.

The reason for the report is the intentional use of exploits, whether the exploit was known or unknown prior to its use.

The Exploit:
I will not provide the exact exploit as to protect the server. This would break the game is found out. The upper administration and devs have been aware of the exploit.

Zypther made an active attempt to kill me while in a protected area while there was no war declared or currently active at the time.

This is where it started. Directly in a land that was protected.

https://imgur.com/mOVJjhc

They chased me as I ran right of the location as I sit there confused as I'm taking damage from seemingly nothing at first. I took note of what was happening and quickly attempted to escape, as I didn't have the abil

https://imgur.com/u3t6MgI

Zyp used this exploit multiple times, bringing me down to less than Half of my HP. I had to use a Golden Apple and flee.

I was able to make it into this section of the house. I was trusted, neither pigeon nor Zyp were trusted. I escaped into this house, still being damaged by what was being used to exploit through protection.

https://imgur.com/IyWbEB0

https://imgur.com/JKkDeqA

To make it also clear, I would have 100% lost my items and died had I not had access to the doors that he did not have access to since he wasn't trusted.

Just to be clear, I am not reporting for just the use of an exploit. Things happen where an exploit may happen and quickly get reported. You shouldn't be punished for discovering an exploit.
I am reporting for one of the two situations:
1. Zyp could have known that the exploit was present prior to doing it. Zyp chose to do the exploit anyways knowing it was against the rules.
2. Zyp could have been testing or discovered upon the exploit. Zyp with his experience in both MC and TTT staff should have an idea of what is intended and not intended, easily should have discerned this wasn't intended, but chose to continue anyways to kill me in Minecraft.

Either way, I believe what he did was not only low, but wrong and he should be punished for his use of an exploit to attempt to kill me without me able to fight back due to not having the items necessary for the exploit to occur. Zyp explicitly continued to attack me even after going into cover

Thank you for reading.
Husky​

Evidence and Witnessess

@Frosty witnessed the entire thing in its entirety from start to finish and was undiscovered because he was invisible from a splash potion effect he took prior to coming over.
@pigeon witnessed the entire thing in its entirety as well as she was the one on Zyp's side at the time.​

 

[Noctorious]

This happened on my land. I was not present but can confirm that the action flag Attack Players was set to Disabled for Untrusted players

Spoiler: Spoiler

Actions taken by players trusted on The Farming Conglomerate™ lands may not reflect the beliefs or ideals of The Farming Conglomerate™. The Farming Conglomerate™ does not condone any acts of terrorism enacted recently by players who were formally members on the land. The Farming Conglomerate™ has graciously helped with cleanup and restoration efforts out of compassion but takes no responsibility in the actions that were perpetrated.
The Farming Conglomerate™, consider joining the conglomerate

 

[Zyp]

Hi, I don't have my minecraft recording going on 24-7, so I don't have this recorded.

I initially shot the TNT bow to look scary, much like shooting an enchanted bow at someone to look scary. I was fully expecting you to take no damage, if anything get pushed around a little by TNT. After the first hit, which was the only one to do damage above 0 according to the damage numbers that the server has, I shot it to joke around because it was absurd it worked, and all in all it was a joking time. You were being hunted for lava casting and blowing up areas around peoples bases, no serious gain was being sought after to kill you in minecraft, purely just a sense of justice/revenge/vengeance, for attacking people and faction members. I assumed that all actions were in a very joking manner or fun manner, and i attempted to continue that. The TNT bow was purely a weapon used for jokes and sillies that I thought you would have understood, and I hope that any mentions of war would have been thought as jokes and fun on the minecraft server, much like I assume you meant to be by the lava cast/tnt bombing you did around players.

There was no intention to set you back other than time by joking around with you, and there was no intention to gain progress, resources or anything nor means to other than if we took items from your grave, which was not intended or planned.

The issue was promptly reported to devs who i believe have worked on a fix or patch until a fix is made.

I'll tag the MC lead admin @Espurr and my TTT lead admin @rog the dog for any comments or conclusions they would like to draw.

 

[rog the dog]

I'm gonna let Espurr and/or Anna if she feels the need to make the conclusion on this one since we were all involved in some way. We talked about it, I genuinely don't have anything to add here publicly nor am I well versed enough in Minecraft to offer any valuable input.

 

[Husky]

Hi, I don't have my minecraft recording going on 24-7, so I don't have this recorded.

I initially shot the TNT bow to look scary, much like shooting an enchanted bow at someone to look scary. I was fully expecting you to take no damage, if anything get pushed around a little by TNT. After the first hit, which was the only one to do damage above 0 according to the damage numbers that the server has, I shot it to joke around because it was absurd it worked, and all in all it was a joking time. You were being hunted for lava casting and blowing up areas around peoples bases, no serious gain was being sought after to kill you in minecraft, purely just a sense of justice/revenge/vengeance, for attacking people and faction members. I assumed that all actions were in a very joking manner or fun manner, and i attempted to continue that. The TNT bow was purely a weapon used for jokes and sillies that I thought you would have understood, and I hope that any mentions of war would have been thought as jokes and fun on the minecraft server, much like I assume you meant to be by the lava cast/tnt bombing you did around players.

There was no intention to set you back other than time by joking around with you, and there was no intention to gain progress, resources or anything nor means to other than if we took items from your grave, which was not intended or planned.

The issue was promptly reported to devs who i believe have worked on a fix or patch until a fix is made.

I'll tag the MC lead admin @Espurr and my TTT lead admin @rog the dog for any comments or conclusions they would like to draw.

Respectfully, this didn't answer any of my claim.

I am claiming you were aware of this exploit and chose to use that exploit knowing it was an exploit (as listed above for either reason).

I initially shot the TNT bow to look scary, much like shooting an enchanted bow at someone to look scary. I was fully expecting you to take no damage, if anything get pushed around a little by TNT. After the first hit, which was the only one to do damage above 0 according to the damage numbers that the server has, I shot it to joke around because it was absurd it worked, and all in all it was a joking time.

This proves you admit to shooting me multiple times. You did not stop doing so. It brought me down to half HP and would have killed me had I not ate a golden apple and not trusted in the lands - I had to go into places you didn't have access to as an un-trusted member.

I also learned that you visually will still show to take damage, even if it was zero as you saw. You also saw me running away, eat a golden apple, and then take cover and proceed to teleport away. Would a player not taking any damage or any threat occurring to them react that way?

There was no intention to set you back other than time by joking around with you, and there was no intention to gain progress, resources or anything nor means to other than if we took items from your grave, which was not intended or planned.

How was I supposed to know that? All I saw was proper and understandable retaliation that happened from something I caused. I was in a protected land knowing attacks were disabled among players. It's why I am reacting this way.

The issue was promptly reported to devs who i believe have worked on a fix or patch until a fix is made.

So I actually looked into this, and you had reported into a channel called mc-dev - which is a place to report such issues other than the forums to @Silent Rebel - who offered for you to test it and find out.

Instead of communicating that someone and testing it, you chose the first person you rightfully had a need to target (which 100% was within your right since I was the aggressor), and then used that exploit - which after seeing it worked continued to attack me despite me clearly running away and showing signs of damage (both visually, and from eating a golden apple - which can either be used for hunger or for hearts or both).

If you caught me in the wilderness or fought mutually, I wouldn't be here making this report. You attacked me using an exploit that allows you to go past the threshold protection provides you. That is why I am reporting you.

 

[Zyp]

Respectfully, this didn't answer any of my claim.

I am claiming you were aware of this exploit and chose to use that exploit knowing it was an exploit (as listed above for either reason).

This proves you admit to shooting me multiple times. You did not stop doing so. It brought me down to half HP and would have killed me had I not ate a golden apple and not trusted in the lands - I had to go into places you didn't have access to as an un-trusted member.

I also learned that you visually will still show to take damage, even if it was zero as you saw. You also saw me running away, eat a golden apple, and then take cover and proceed to teleport away. Would a player not taking any damage or any threat occurring to them react that way?


How was I supposed to know that? All I saw was proper and understandable retaliation that happened from something I caused. I was in a protected land knowing attacks were disabled among players. It's why I am reacting this way.


So I actually looked into this, and you had reported into a channel called mc-dev - which is a place to report such issues other than the forums to @Silent Rebel - who offered for you to test it and find out.

Instead of communicating that someone and testing it, you chose the first person you rightfully had a need to target (which 100% was within your right since I was the aggressor), and then used that exploit - which after seeing it worked continued to attack me despite me clearly running away and showing signs of damage (both visually, and from eating a golden apple - which can either be used for hunger or for hearts or both).

If you caught me in the wilderness or fought mutually, I wouldn't be here making this report. You attacked me using an exploit that allows you to go past the threshold protection provides you. That is why I am reporting you.

I reported it after our encounter. I did not know of it before our encounter. I assumed you would understand a joke, or make light of a situation considering we were talking in chat as well as have had a good amount of history between us as friends, or at least I thought we did. This was a complete fun situation, making light of a something that would not have caused any gain or loss, and was not intended to cause gain or loss.

 

[Husky]

I reported it after our encounter. I did not know of it before our encounter. I assumed you would understand a joke, or make light of a situation considering we were talking in chat as well as have had a good amount of history between us as friends, or at least I thought we did. This was a complete fun situation, making light of a something that would not have caused any gain or loss, and was not intended to cause gain or loss.

You keep making references to jokes and light fun. Everything before that point was hilarious and in good fun.

I enjoyed and valued the moments and I did what I did that day to try to coerce others into taking part of PvP and Griefing. That is in my opinion what this server is about - not only developing communities and the aspect of survival and borders established, but also conflict. That's literally exactly the thing I was looking for. And boy did I earn it.

I did what I did fully and completely expecting backlash. I would have been baffled otherwise. That's where the fun was. To sit back, cause a little chaos - we finally see some PvP or a game of cat and mouse. I enjoyed it. It was fun.

You chose to do what you did, which went against the spirit of the game and the rules.

That's when the fun stopped. Not because you wanted revenge or justice. I fully expected that.

The problem was you doing what you did without communicating your point of showing a bug.

Without that context and the way you acted, it looked as if you were using that to make every attempt to kill me.

Had I not been trusted in his land, I would have without a doubt lost my items. I would've gotten them back of course. The items weren't a problem.

You keep saying I would understand a joke and make light of a situation as I did literally with the entire situation before the exploiting occured. If you had found me in the wilderness or in the act and rightfully killed me, we wouldn't be here.

When I see you repeat and emphasize that this was a "joke" and "light fun" without actually addressing the problem and lack of communication, I feel upset. I feel as if you are taking lightly on what you did and instead chopping it up to being a part of the fun. The fun stopped when you attempted to kill me through protection using an exploit.

Even if I lost I would have sat there and roleplayed being a defeated villain. I had no intent on winning against you guys, but the implication I created was what made me happy.

I wouldn't be sitting here if you messaged me and said "Hey I need to test something real quick." or literally chose anyone else, especially the person who you had an understandable vendetta against.

That's my problem. I hope this clarifies things. Thank you.
Husky

 

[pigeon]

Hey Husky. I'm going to be handling this report, but I want to assure you that my words represent the collective opinion of all of the lead admins after a fair bit of discussion on this.

I wholeheartedly believe that zyp did not initially shoot the bow knowing that it would deal damage to you inside of the claim. However, continuing to fire the bow after realizing that it would deal damage inside of a protected area does count as utilizing an exploit, regardless of whether or not it was done as a joke or with actual intent to kill you. This report is valid, but we don't feel taking any further action against zyp is needed.

None of the following text has any bearing on the conclusion of this report, however, it still needs to be said.

Husky, this situation is entirely absurd. You were not and are still not engaging with anyone in good faith here. You're attempting to throw the book at zyp over a small infraction that did no real damage beyond causing you to eat a golden apple, done in retaliation to you griefing the builds of multiple players who had no interest in being dragged into your conflict. Griefing is not outright disallowed by the rules, but the rules for war and griefing are actively in flux right now and your actions were very much against the spirit of the rules. Your actions were also not within the rules either, as your lava casts constitute exploiting. You placed the lava intentionally in such a way that it would spread into claimed areas and bypass land protections. You are making yourself out to be the victim in a situation where the only actual damage done was done by you, repeatedly, to multiple different people, entirely unprovoked. Your actions are discouraging people from wanting to play on the server and were outright rude.

If your goal was to encourage faction conflict, there are ways to do that without destroying people's builds. Killing players and setting lethal traps are also acts of war, but don't cause persistent damage to people's builds. You're also not actually engaging with the war system as you claim to be. Zyp attempted to declare war on you in retaliation. You refused to accept the mutual war and instead hid on your land where no one could retaliate, taunting people the entire time. Nobody found your actions hilarious or in good fun other than you.

None of this justifies having exploits used against you. But this needs to be said because if you genuinely believe that you're promoting a fun, competitive environment then you need to reevaluate what you're doing. You've seriously upset a lot of people, and I would be remiss to simply mark this report valid without addressing the harm you're doing. I don't know what outcome you're hoping to get out of this report, but I hope you walk away understanding that this entire situation and all of the grief resulting from it was completely avoidable, and that your actions have neither been innocent nor in the spirit of good fun.