Pending Return Upkeep Costs to Claims.

[Vyx]

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To be frank, only needing to be on once every 90 days to keep your claim is stupid.

Upkeep costs are a good money sink and with how low upkeeps were and how easy it is to make money. It's kind of a skill issue if you can't.
If you care that much, tax the people you trust, you may risk war though

 

[Zyp]

+1, money is frankly so easy to gather that upkeep costs are more than negligible they are just a check that people allctually play, now I would argue that both should be active as some claims (mine) have enough money in them that it could last years.

 

[Vyx]

Bumping this to make sure doesn't get deleted :3

 

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Why do claims need to expire in the first place?

 

[Vyx]

The concept of John Giants Lair joining at launch, claiming next to spawn and disappearing for months at a time doesn't feel great.

Also the concept of a money sink is nice as we don't really have many sinks right now

 

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With a no wipe "shit lasts forever" mindset, it seems calculated to go one of two directions:

No expiration, if the server is interested in seeing wars affect borders/lands cater to it that way.

Upkeep, wars could play the role in redistributing stuff as well. Upkeep notably incentives money sinks as well.

I'm really not worried about the spawn stuff right now; /wild is super accessible and the Bluemap is a great tool to assist players in settling their own spot.

 

[Siddo]

Upkeep or no upkeep, I think 3 months to expire is an absurdly lenient timeframe. Especially considering all that's needed is a log in log out to reset the timer.

I've no opinion on reintroducing upkeep, but regardless, I would give serious consideration to timing claims out after 30 days, instead of 90 days. If you're not even on the server once a month, then frankly you aren't really an active player and it should be fair game for others to claim or raid the area.
Active player enjoyment > Inactive player protection.

 

[anna]

im against making it a money sink because there are people *cough* *cough* read me *cough* *cough* who do not have the time to sink into gaining money easily playing the way I would like to play (selling cakes, making a bakery but not automating anything etc etc, yes I am aware I am the problem here but thats just how I wanna be playin). I think reducing the time it takes would add additional pressure to keep people relatively active so I support a change like that at least. I think finding other ways for people to meaningfully utilise their money would be beneficial as well and not just tying it to the lands but I am not well educated in MC enough.

 

[cooldude43]

Why do claims need to expire in the first place?

I agree. I think if it is about to expire a higher up should approve it, for example Tetos recently expired (@CelDamage you still gotta clam it) and that was still being used. If it’s someone’s land who hasn’t played and isn’t being used, it should be approved to expire.

 

[cooldude43]

Also, we should have it so expired land gets th ownership transferd to someone trusted in the expired land

 

[CelDamage]

I agree. I think if it is about to expire a higher up should approve it, for example Tetos recently expired (@CelDamage you still gotta clam it) and that was still being used. If it’s someone’s land who hasn’t played and isn’t being used, it should be approved to expire.

Tetos Territory was like 10 mil in land and had all my money in it, they gotta do it cuz Im broke

 

[Saturnity]

+1 on 30 days

Maybe with the caveat of it changing ownership on day 30 as a kind of 'last chance' to a town trusted member of some sort, last thing you'd want as a town member is for the owner to disappear then have everything get screwed up.

 

[Noctorious]

-1 mainly because I just convinced my neighbor to claim the land around him because upkeep is turned off. He's been having fun learning Minecraft and exploring more than learning the plugins and how to make money so I've been bankrolling him from the start