Pending Small Weapon Balance Ideas (Winchester 1887 Delay Decrease)

[uintancæstir]

Small group of weapon balancing ideas.

• Deagle cone decrease (0.02 -> 0.013)
• Colt Python cone decrease (0.02 -> 0.009)
• Colt Python Damage trade with Remington 1858 (40 -> 50)
• Remington 1858 Damage trade with Colt Python (50 -> 40)
• Barret M82A1 delay decrease (1.5 -> 0.7)
• M24 delay increase (0.7 -> 1.2)
• Winchester 1887 delay decrease (1.2 -> 0.75)
• Winchester 1873 cone decrease (0.01 -> 0.007)
• Winchester 1873 clip size increase (8 -> 10)

Currently I feel the Winchester 1887 is a bit slow considering it only has 4 bullets.

Feedback & questions are appreciated.

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Update (Mar 13, 2026): Demonstrated Deagle cone.
Update (Mar 4, 2026): Included some other changes thanks to @CelDamage's Spreadsheet.

 

[bone ore]

i didnt particularly think it was slow but hell yeah lets speed it up lol

 

[bone ore]

ok i take it back it definitely needs buffed

 

[Summer's Snowman]

agree, it's a bit rough

 

[CelDamage]

+1 it feels like ass to shoot

 

[bone ore]

Maybe increase the spread a little too

 

[uintancæstir]

Update (Mar 13, 2026): Demonstrated Deagle cone.

 

[CelDamage]

Update (Mar 13, 2026): Demonstrated Deagle cone.

yeah thats why I think it should have the good good cone, but the question now is does the 1911 have the cone that the deagle currently has, that way we have two pinpoint accuracy pistols that can one tap (python and deagle), one faster one with non-perfect accuracy (1911) and luger + remmington as two other one tap options that fill out a more special niche

 

[uintancæstir]

but the question now is does the 1911 have the cone that the deagle currently has?

I think the 1911's cone should be fine where it is right now, but the Deagle is slower so it should be more accurate.
From most accurate to least accurate cones for me would be:
Python (0.007) > Deagle (0.013) > Colt M1911 (0.017) > Luger (0.017 having less body shot damage) > Remington (0.02)
All with headshot falloff at very large distances to encourage using snipers at long range of course.

remmington

Has anyone ever figured out how the cone for the Remington 1858 works, or what it's value is?

 

[CelDamage]

I think the 1911's cone should be fine where it is right now, but the Deagle is slower so it should be more accurate.
From most accurate to least accurate cones for me would be:
Python (0.007) > Deagle (0.013) > Colt M1911 (0.017) > Luger (0.017 but currently having less body shot damage) > Remington (0.02)
All with headshot falloff at very large distances to encourage using snipers at long range of course.

Has anyone ever figured out how the cone for the Remington 1858 works, or what it's value is?

remmington didnt have a cone according to the information I got, so I assume it is default whatever that was, which I assume was way more than .02.

That said, whats the point of having the deagle or python not just be .001 if we are reducing the cones? because .02 is already fairly accurate and we want both the python and deagle to not have gamble headshots, and while reducing the cone does make headshots less of a gamble, theres still the off chance it does whiff which is why I just said fuck it put them at .001. Python is slower but does more body, deagle is faster and does less and that is the distinguishing factor between those two. I can leave colt at .017 instead of bumping it to .02 because its not really a difference regardless. Overall though I agree

 

[uintancæstir]

whats the point of having the deagle or python not just be .001 if we are reducing the cones?

Those numbers are a rough concept, I'm all for making them even smaller than that, since they're among the slowest pistols.

 

[YoAmTrash]

Update (Mar 13, 2026): Demonstrated Deagle cone.

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