Meatwad420
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The Problem With Giant's Lair..
- Thread starter Rick Sanchez
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Hey Ryan,
I’ve tried to step back since my post and give space for open discussion without constantly inserting my perspective. But this is something I need to address directly.
The situation you referenced in your first point happened the day after the informal staff meeting I mentioned in my post. In that discussion, you explicitly talked about waiting for members like Frosty and Proper to slip up again, collecting evidence, and using that to build a case for banning them. The very next day, Proper, Frosty, and I were in General VC playing games when you joined. You didn’t say a word the entire time. Instead, you sat there recording, which is how you were able to act so quickly when that random person dropped in and said something bannable.
From my vantage point, that’s not passive moderation... it’s clearly targeted. You put yourself in that situation with a clear intent, waiting for something.. anything.. you could turn into justification. That wasn’t coincidence, and it wasn’t neutral. It was deliberate.
Hello everyone,
I'm a little late to this. But I thought I'd put my two cents in if you don't mind...
I know I'm more of the happy go lucky sort of fellow, but there's even sometimes I've literally had to hop on discord and ask for certain staff members I trust and know will handle the situations properly.
Yes, I tend to be positive. But when I notice players, especially certain staff members behave in ways that lets say, I always act as if there (cause at times there is), a younger player in the chat. I'm a mandatory reporter of certain thing at risk of losing my license, and my heart when it gets VERY disgusting and serious to act in certain ways. I want this to be a fun server where, yes, we can all play and mess around in discord...
... But when it comes to attacks on people or content posted that I feel shouldn't be posted, yes I tell people to stop and report it to other staff.
Please let this stay a healthy, good community to play.
Thank you!
I'm a little late to this. But I thought I'd put my two cents in if you don't mind...
I know I'm more of the happy go lucky sort of fellow, but there's even sometimes I've literally had to hop on discord and ask for certain staff members I trust and know will handle the situations properly.
Yes, I tend to be positive. But when I notice players, especially certain staff members behave in ways that lets say, I always act as if there (cause at times there is), a younger player in the chat. I'm a mandatory reporter of certain thing at risk of losing my license, and my heart when it gets VERY disgusting and serious to act in certain ways. I want this to be a fun server where, yes, we can all play and mess around in discord...
... But when it comes to attacks on people or content posted that I feel shouldn't be posted, yes I tell people to stop and report it to other staff.
Please let this stay a healthy, good community to play.
Thank you!
Dinomoto
New member
I tend to agree with those that have stuff to express over those that sound like they're responding through necessity. I have no involvement in both of these sides, but its definitely a sad affair that this is already happening to a relatively new community. Drama is a fun read, I won't lie, but it is also pretty pitiful. Just swallow your pride and admit your wrong doings, admin team. It doesn't take much. Apologizing doesn't make you weak, it just shows that you're a person. Trying to pull the wool over people eyes is a no go, be honest for fucks sake.
Hi
I feel like a lot of my previous thoughts have already been well communicated here, therefore I won't go into depth with some of the things that I would say.
However, after tonight’s supposed “""bombshell”"" announcement that was supposed to """solve""" a lot of problems amongst the community and staff, I’m left unsure what I’m actually expected to do as a staff member to help move things in a positive direction. If anything, it feels like we’ve taken a step backward rather than forward, and I’m struggling to see how this meaningfully addresses the issues we’ve been trying to resolve.
The announcement talked about removing "bad staff" and creating a dedicated Discord team, which is great! This is good progress on the staff side of things. Yet the rest of the announcement (NO HATE TO ANNA <3) felt like a surface level response that barely touched on the core issues people have been screaming about for weeks on this thread!!! There wasn’t much acknowledgment of the underlying problem!!
To Agennon,
You continuously keep overreaching with power while mindlessly pretending that you're acting in the best interest of the community. The vibe audit, the selective log digging, and the clear pattern of targeting certain individuals, NONE of that was meaningfully addressed in the announcement (of which you were supposed to make!). Instead, we continue to get vague promises and a pat on the back for "removing some staff." As far as I know (which I don’t because nothing gets communicated nowadays), ALL of the conversations leading up to the announcement were kept behind closed doors with no real input or visibility from the broader staff team (~25 of us by the way!).
This lack of transparency in the staff team is exactly what breeds the paranoia and resentment everyone is feeling. How are we supposed to believe things will be different when the same leadership structure that enabled the targeting remains fully in control, with zero accountability or visibility into how decisions are actually made? Without that transparency, nothing actually changes, people just end up losing trust faster.
Can we address this while we're at it?
Quoting you directly:
"Once this announcement for a statement or whatever takes place, I'm probably checking out for a bit."
"I fucking hate what this place has become over the last several months, what our staff and members have been asked to tolerate, and spit on the entire time by the most toxic assholes on the planet."
"I should have banned some of these people two years ago."
"what happened with sunny last night, murdered any positive direction I can see this community moving in while proper and friends are given room here."
Oh, okay! Sunny, who publicly harassed one of our fellow developers, mocked the death of their mother, and continued to escalate with toxic, vicious attacks, murdered ANY positive direction you saw in the community.
This is the person that murdered the direction? Nice joke dude.
You were present for all of that by the way. What were you doing though? Punishing people for reacting with Israeli reactions AS THEY WERE BEING HARASSED.
Okay, go ahead and COI proper and frosty, whatever (its not really like you wanted to back down from that decision either way),,, but why isn't this person COI banned as well? Arguably, what they did on this ONE occasion was SO much worse than what proper and frosty ever did.
I could go in-depth on why the COI ban YOU pushed was such a bad decision, but there’s no point. You’ve made a habit of skipping over the main arguments just to nitpick smaller things, so any real discussion just goes nowhere. So, why bother at that point?
trust me this post would've been 4x it's own length if it weren't for that. (and it sucks cuz there's a lot I wanna say!!)
This isn't leadership. This an absolute overreach of your position. How things get handled in this community is so dystopian to me. There is no consistency, there is no transparency, and there is no accountability in how decisions are made. When the owner himself refuses to hear his own team, when staff concerns get constantly dismissed AND when bans get escalated this quickly against people who are valued with barely ANY agreement amongst your team, it stops feeling like a community and starts feeling like a personal fiefdom. Fun fact! People are already disengaging and moving to private Discords because they see the writing on the wall,, "if you speak up or joke the wrong way, and you'll be next!!"
Think about it this way. If we truly want to fix this and bring back the fun, “relaxed vibe” a lot of us signed up for, then real change has to start at the top. Stop the selective blindness. Stop ignoring your peers. Increase actual transparency instead of more layers of dedicated teams that could just become the next problem. You need to start actually addressing the concerns being raised instead of deflecting them in bad faith. Otherwise, these "positive steps" is just window dressing, and the community will keep bleeding the exact people who made it worth being part of.
I am utterly disappointed to see the state that this community is currently in, and it saddens me deeply because I grew up with this community throughout its former iterations.
grow up.
i resign
I feel like a lot of my previous thoughts have already been well communicated here, therefore I won't go into depth with some of the things that I would say.
However, after tonight’s supposed “""bombshell”"" announcement that was supposed to """solve""" a lot of problems amongst the community and staff, I’m left unsure what I’m actually expected to do as a staff member to help move things in a positive direction. If anything, it feels like we’ve taken a step backward rather than forward, and I’m struggling to see how this meaningfully addresses the issues we’ve been trying to resolve.
The announcement talked about removing "bad staff" and creating a dedicated Discord team, which is great! This is good progress on the staff side of things. Yet the rest of the announcement (NO HATE TO ANNA <3) felt like a surface level response that barely touched on the core issues people have been screaming about for weeks on this thread!!! There wasn’t much acknowledgment of the underlying problem!!
To Agennon,
You continuously keep overreaching with power while mindlessly pretending that you're acting in the best interest of the community. The vibe audit, the selective log digging, and the clear pattern of targeting certain individuals, NONE of that was meaningfully addressed in the announcement (of which you were supposed to make!). Instead, we continue to get vague promises and a pat on the back for "removing some staff." As far as I know (which I don’t because nothing gets communicated nowadays), ALL of the conversations leading up to the announcement were kept behind closed doors with no real input or visibility from the broader staff team (~25 of us by the way!).
This lack of transparency in the staff team is exactly what breeds the paranoia and resentment everyone is feeling. How are we supposed to believe things will be different when the same leadership structure that enabled the targeting remains fully in control, with zero accountability or visibility into how decisions are actually made? Without that transparency, nothing actually changes, people just end up losing trust faster.
Can we address this while we're at it?
Quoting you directly:
"Once this announcement for a statement or whatever takes place, I'm probably checking out for a bit."
"I fucking hate what this place has become over the last several months, what our staff and members have been asked to tolerate, and spit on the entire time by the most toxic assholes on the planet."
"I should have banned some of these people two years ago."
"what happened with sunny last night, murdered any positive direction I can see this community moving in while proper and friends are given room here."
Oh, okay! Sunny, who publicly harassed one of our fellow developers, mocked the death of their mother, and continued to escalate with toxic, vicious attacks, murdered ANY positive direction you saw in the community.
This is the person that murdered the direction? Nice joke dude.
You were present for all of that by the way. What were you doing though? Punishing people for reacting with Israeli reactions AS THEY WERE BEING HARASSED.
Okay, go ahead and COI proper and frosty, whatever (its not really like you wanted to back down from that decision either way),,, but why isn't this person COI banned as well? Arguably, what they did on this ONE occasion was SO much worse than what proper and frosty ever did.
I could go in-depth on why the COI ban YOU pushed was such a bad decision, but there’s no point. You’ve made a habit of skipping over the main arguments just to nitpick smaller things, so any real discussion just goes nowhere. So, why bother at that point?
trust me this post would've been 4x it's own length if it weren't for that. (and it sucks cuz there's a lot I wanna say!!)
This isn't leadership. This an absolute overreach of your position. How things get handled in this community is so dystopian to me. There is no consistency, there is no transparency, and there is no accountability in how decisions are made. When the owner himself refuses to hear his own team, when staff concerns get constantly dismissed AND when bans get escalated this quickly against people who are valued with barely ANY agreement amongst your team, it stops feeling like a community and starts feeling like a personal fiefdom. Fun fact! People are already disengaging and moving to private Discords because they see the writing on the wall,, "if you speak up or joke the wrong way, and you'll be next!!"
Think about it this way. If we truly want to fix this and bring back the fun, “relaxed vibe” a lot of us signed up for, then real change has to start at the top. Stop the selective blindness. Stop ignoring your peers. Increase actual transparency instead of more layers of dedicated teams that could just become the next problem. You need to start actually addressing the concerns being raised instead of deflecting them in bad faith. Otherwise, these "positive steps" is just window dressing, and the community will keep bleeding the exact people who made it worth being part of.
I am utterly disappointed to see the state that this community is currently in, and it saddens me deeply because I grew up with this community throughout its former iterations.
grow up.
i resign
i hate to say it, but giants lair is falling apart.
3 staff resigned today alone.
and i dont know if theres another way to say it but, @Agennon you need to do something. someone prooved you wrong and you stopeed replying to this thread overall.
Sunny got a 1 month ban for making fun of a dead mother. proper and frosty got a YEAR BAN from vibes,
STAFF TARGETING PEOPLE IS FUCKING HAPPING. YOU CANNOT DENY IT.
we need to take action, instead of sitting hear tallking about it. PLEASE. fire staff, demote people, step down yourself. whatever it takes. this community means so much to me. i want to keep it alive. PLEASE do something agennon. Park ranger moon said "think the best, healthiest, longest lasting servers I’ve seen are the ones where the owners are a bit detached from moderation and trust their staff teams to make decisions" @Agennon i want you to read what park said, please.
3 staff resigned today alone.
and i dont know if theres another way to say it but, @Agennon you need to do something. someone prooved you wrong and you stopeed replying to this thread overall.
Sunny got a 1 month ban for making fun of a dead mother. proper and frosty got a YEAR BAN from vibes,
STAFF TARGETING PEOPLE IS FUCKING HAPPING. YOU CANNOT DENY IT.
we need to take action, instead of sitting hear tallking about it. PLEASE. fire staff, demote people, step down yourself. whatever it takes. this community means so much to me. i want to keep it alive. PLEASE do something agennon. Park ranger moon said "think the best, healthiest, longest lasting servers I’ve seen are the ones where the owners are a bit detached from moderation and trust their staff teams to make decisions" @Agennon i want you to read what park said, please.
tea
New member
since i've been coi banned now i figure i'm entitled to throw in my two cents. in the short time i was allowed to be in here, i have seen some of the dumbest drama play out. the kind of drama that's only rivalled by every other fucking garry's mod community i've ever been in. it's likely that i'm just wasting my time here because you've already decided that i'm a troll or whatever. but at least i'll be able to hear the sound of my own voice, i guess. this post will be heavily influenced by my own experience, but i hope you don't take this exclusively as a rant about what happened to me.
first off, how can you possibly have made that announcement after not having demoted the one person on here who was called out by name? i'm not gonna harp on this point too hard because i wouldn't want to "harass" someone by telling them things they don't want to hear. but come on. get real. it's an insult to the intelligence of your community. no one believes you when you say this shit because no one even sees a change, besides that you've coi some people instead of just targeting them. you can't pretend like you've resolved your nepotism problem if you're not even willing to demote one (1) of your friends. either admit this is a server only for you and your friends or actually make a single genuine gesture towards fixing your massive nepotism issue.
secondly, if you intend to be a server where people feel comfortable being "authentic" or whatever, banning people without warning is a hell of a way to do it. i admit i've maybe been a bit too "authentic" for this server, and that's fine. there's one or two things i've said where i maybe have deserved to be told to knock it off or whatever. but like come on. how are you going to cultivate this "relaxed vibe" when you're punishing people for making your staff be even slightly annoyed? i don't want to make this comment about me but having been muted and then banned without warning for having a single negative interaction with your very special little boy, i just can't imagine how you intend to make people feel comfortable engaging with your community in a meaningful way. as one of the people who have been accused of "interacting in bad faith", i have to say, what do you expect? you can't create an environment where people are regularly punished for upsetting your special boy and then expect them not to be a little bit aloof. despite this, i've made some friends here. i say this just to illustrate my point that your response to this debacle has been ridiculous. to be told that this is a place where people can comfortably discuss politics and then being banned for getting too political. but i said i didn't want to make it about me and i've gone on too long about my own experience.
you're hemorrhaging users and staff because of your own ego and your inability to take a good, honest, hard look at the way you've been running your community. you can't have it both ways. either be "checked out" and let your staff run your server, or actually make a real good-faith attempt to engage with your users' concerns. you can't have it both ways. no more half-measures, waltuh.
first off, how can you possibly have made that announcement after not having demoted the one person on here who was called out by name? i'm not gonna harp on this point too hard because i wouldn't want to "harass" someone by telling them things they don't want to hear. but come on. get real. it's an insult to the intelligence of your community. no one believes you when you say this shit because no one even sees a change, besides that you've coi some people instead of just targeting them. you can't pretend like you've resolved your nepotism problem if you're not even willing to demote one (1) of your friends. either admit this is a server only for you and your friends or actually make a single genuine gesture towards fixing your massive nepotism issue.
secondly, if you intend to be a server where people feel comfortable being "authentic" or whatever, banning people without warning is a hell of a way to do it. i admit i've maybe been a bit too "authentic" for this server, and that's fine. there's one or two things i've said where i maybe have deserved to be told to knock it off or whatever. but like come on. how are you going to cultivate this "relaxed vibe" when you're punishing people for making your staff be even slightly annoyed? i don't want to make this comment about me but having been muted and then banned without warning for having a single negative interaction with your very special little boy, i just can't imagine how you intend to make people feel comfortable engaging with your community in a meaningful way. as one of the people who have been accused of "interacting in bad faith", i have to say, what do you expect? you can't create an environment where people are regularly punished for upsetting your special boy and then expect them not to be a little bit aloof. despite this, i've made some friends here. i say this just to illustrate my point that your response to this debacle has been ridiculous. to be told that this is a place where people can comfortably discuss politics and then being banned for getting too political. but i said i didn't want to make it about me and i've gone on too long about my own experience.
you're hemorrhaging users and staff because of your own ego and your inability to take a good, honest, hard look at the way you've been running your community. you can't have it both ways. either be "checked out" and let your staff run your server, or actually make a real good-faith attempt to engage with your users' concerns. you can't have it both ways. no more half-measures, waltuh.
I have been extremely disappointed, and I am absolutely exhausted about this situation, and how this has been handled. I never thought I would be at the point of finding it hard to sleep because the situation and the vibes have been so bleak that I thought I would wake up and find things just gone, friends and others just lost to yet another explosion in the STTT cycle. its been so bad that honestly I have found it hard to sleep at times. I find myself waking up early and worrying about missing people. I find it hard to sleep because of that same reason. I get surprised every time a message on discord is sent and I cant read it because I'm at work and I don't know if it is a lead admin upset with me discussing protocol on something that has no protocol on a game they have no experience on, or a warning that something is going down, or that shit just hit the fan, a normal how are you doing, or if it is just a question asking about a situation I don't know. Honestly, that's one of the things I am most tired of.
Frankly I agree with a lot that has been said already about this. So much of this could have been done with action on the decision that was already set in stone for you Agennon. You knew you were going to ban them. You lied to us that you didn't want to. You put us through months of disagreements and discussions and stress for what? Just for us to lose some of the people who put the most work in making this community welcoming? To push away the people who have worked so hard for this community? I really hope that this isn't the end of the cycle because dear god it would honestly be embarrassing to have so many people with so much knowledge and experience for this iteration to crash and burn within a year of its launch. I want to keep going. I want to help this community advance, but decision and decision and inaction after inaction has just been shooting ourselves, and yourself in the foot. We got so worn down we just gave up because you were and have been set on a long ban, or if we want to talk semantics like we have for months, a long time out, a significant punishment even if we want to avoid using the word ban. I mean this in the best way possible, but you cut off your nose to spite your face here. In the process of trying to fix the vibes you have lead it to be the worst vibes I have experienced. You had so many chances and ways to fix this given by so many people. You defended people that have gone against the very ethos we worked on figuring out at the beginning of the community, and used the excuses of other non staff behavior to push away from the discussion and talk circles around the suggestions and advice of everyone who could give it. I find it honestly ironic that the announcement made highlights that "we are completely against bad faith interactions" yet I think those in advisors/admins channels have experienced the most of that in every conversation we have had.
I have dealt or seen drama in so many communities, and I would be lying if I didnt say that ultimately it usually comes from the top. and in each situation I have had the change and the unfortunate opportunity to see a little more how it is from the top, I can whole heatedly say that you have had the best group of people behind you (attempting to) talking and suggesting how to move forward and what to do. I really do have to beg that you use that, because like I said earlier, it would be god damn embarrassing to have this much talent and experience available and this come crashing down and being such a shit show like it has been these past two months.
I find it harder and harder every single day to argue against you when you already have set your heart and mind to something, yet you push for more discussion. I have felt myself avouding checking discord and other things involved with this community more and more since this all started. Maybe I should have listened to that gut feeling that I had each time I was close to launching and hopping on AHG and SGM after I left SGM in 2018, that same gut feeling I had when I was told that GL was launching a TTT server. Maybe I should have listened to that voice saying "dude do you really want to risk that same staff drama again" when I was asked and suggested to apply by multiple people. Maybe I should have listened to it again when I was told I should push for admin.
To everyone else that reads this, I am here for you. To be blunt, my specialty, I care not about the GL name, not about the history from SGM/STTT or AHG or Crescent. Without the people the community is nothing. I have fought for the people of the community so much, I made mistakes, I learned, I hope I got better. I will continue to fight for the people of the community till I guess its over, but man the people I fight for are leaving and it is still harder and harder to fight more for everyone when there is no one to fight for.
I hate telling myself and others I told you so. I hate that I get chance after chance to say it. But here we are, and I am finding it hard to not tell myself that. Yet here I am writing this long ass message, because I care. And I know others care. I know there are people that aren't staff anymore or even weren't staff and they care. But it is hard to do much other than write this because I know and I think many of them know doing something like this is the best chance we have to getting across to you.
Agennon, I pray you do not try to nitpick this because I really tried to write this out in a way that is respectful and thoughtful, I know that it being my words will come out blunt, they always do somehow. I hope you recognize that I care and want success and fun and such in this community. I think just about everyone does, but the cost for that effort it requires has been skyrocketing and that will drive people away.
My final thing is for anyone seeing this is that my Discord dms are open, my forum dms are open, my steam is accepting friend requests I think, and I welcome any communication for you if you wish.
- Zyp
Frankly I agree with a lot that has been said already about this. So much of this could have been done with action on the decision that was already set in stone for you Agennon. You knew you were going to ban them. You lied to us that you didn't want to. You put us through months of disagreements and discussions and stress for what? Just for us to lose some of the people who put the most work in making this community welcoming? To push away the people who have worked so hard for this community? I really hope that this isn't the end of the cycle because dear god it would honestly be embarrassing to have so many people with so much knowledge and experience for this iteration to crash and burn within a year of its launch. I want to keep going. I want to help this community advance, but decision and decision and inaction after inaction has just been shooting ourselves, and yourself in the foot. We got so worn down we just gave up because you were and have been set on a long ban, or if we want to talk semantics like we have for months, a long time out, a significant punishment even if we want to avoid using the word ban. I mean this in the best way possible, but you cut off your nose to spite your face here. In the process of trying to fix the vibes you have lead it to be the worst vibes I have experienced. You had so many chances and ways to fix this given by so many people. You defended people that have gone against the very ethos we worked on figuring out at the beginning of the community, and used the excuses of other non staff behavior to push away from the discussion and talk circles around the suggestions and advice of everyone who could give it. I find it honestly ironic that the announcement made highlights that "we are completely against bad faith interactions" yet I think those in advisors/admins channels have experienced the most of that in every conversation we have had.
I have dealt or seen drama in so many communities, and I would be lying if I didnt say that ultimately it usually comes from the top. and in each situation I have had the change and the unfortunate opportunity to see a little more how it is from the top, I can whole heatedly say that you have had the best group of people behind you (attempting to) talking and suggesting how to move forward and what to do. I really do have to beg that you use that, because like I said earlier, it would be god damn embarrassing to have this much talent and experience available and this come crashing down and being such a shit show like it has been these past two months.
I find it harder and harder every single day to argue against you when you already have set your heart and mind to something, yet you push for more discussion. I have felt myself avouding checking discord and other things involved with this community more and more since this all started. Maybe I should have listened to that gut feeling that I had each time I was close to launching and hopping on AHG and SGM after I left SGM in 2018, that same gut feeling I had when I was told that GL was launching a TTT server. Maybe I should have listened to that voice saying "dude do you really want to risk that same staff drama again" when I was asked and suggested to apply by multiple people. Maybe I should have listened to it again when I was told I should push for admin.
To everyone else that reads this, I am here for you. To be blunt, my specialty, I care not about the GL name, not about the history from SGM/STTT or AHG or Crescent. Without the people the community is nothing. I have fought for the people of the community so much, I made mistakes, I learned, I hope I got better. I will continue to fight for the people of the community till I guess its over, but man the people I fight for are leaving and it is still harder and harder to fight more for everyone when there is no one to fight for.
I hate telling myself and others I told you so. I hate that I get chance after chance to say it. But here we are, and I am finding it hard to not tell myself that. Yet here I am writing this long ass message, because I care. And I know others care. I know there are people that aren't staff anymore or even weren't staff and they care. But it is hard to do much other than write this because I know and I think many of them know doing something like this is the best chance we have to getting across to you.
Agennon, I pray you do not try to nitpick this because I really tried to write this out in a way that is respectful and thoughtful, I know that it being my words will come out blunt, they always do somehow. I hope you recognize that I care and want success and fun and such in this community. I think just about everyone does, but the cost for that effort it requires has been skyrocketing and that will drive people away.
My final thing is for anyone seeing this is that my Discord dms are open, my forum dms are open, my steam is accepting friend requests I think, and I welcome any communication for you if you wish.
- Zyp
Saturnity
Member
I've had my own little taste of "the system isn't perfect" recently lmfao and it's not a big deal to me, I moved on. that's kind of my whole thing with this. It just isn't that deep.
but reading through all of this is just wild. I watched SGM do exactly this. Literally the exact same cycle, except GL somehow did a speedrun. the staff drama, the vibe audits or whatever version of that they had, people building cases against players they just didn't like. it's the same playbook. and SGM is dead now. so that's fun. like jfc, ryan, that bit about jumping in a VC just to record and try and get evidence is fucked, why in the hell are you dedicating your time to that out of literally anything else.
"What'd you do today"
"I collected evidence against a member of an organization that was bringing terror to my company, I was doing intense surveillance and watching them while acting inconspicuous towards my adversary!" (he sat on the sidelines of a VC to record evidence to ban someone from garry's mod)
Like to be fair, I get it, I used to be a mod too on SGM like over 8 years ago and another community before that, I was like 13-14 lmfao, and that was some sorta shit I would do. But uh 'ts ain't tuff' and there's probably other things that time could be better spent doing. Not specifically aimed at Ryan, but more just at the general idea of it again, not being that deep. It's supposed to be fun and mods are supposed to just be the bumpers that keep a bowling ball from going into the gutter, not throwing bricks on the lane and being mad when someone hits them, or doesn't want to play anymore lmao.
I don't think most of the people posting in here are bad people on either side. I think a 20 year old game has a way of making people act like the stakes are extremely high when they're really not. someone making a dumb joke in gen chat is not a federal case. neither is a kill in TTT. the whole thing where people are saving clips and building evidence files and conducting "vibe audits" on players they don't like-.. in a gmod community-.. is genuinely so funny to me if it wasn't also the exact thing that kills these servers every time.
this thread alone is wild that it had to be made in the first place, with so many great points being made and the people they're 'about' literally proving it by getting massively defensive over it or just blatantly ignoring it, or giving it a goofy ass rating without saying anything else lol.
like I dunno, the server seems to be <5 players about 90% of the time, so it might be time to try something different, because whatever is going on currently isn't working super well. it's definitely not related to TTT as a whole, as there are other servers/communities doing alright. Not great, but that's just kinda the way it goes with an old game, I'm surprised it has lasted this long. Good job garry. Hope S&Box wont be as shitty as it felt when I played the old test build. Just name it gmod 2 tho.
But even as I write this at 6AM, there are more than a few TTT servers with 1-2 dozen people, with the most full one being US based, and still populated on a Monday morning lmao. Meanwhile I feel like open GL and see nobody on. Even like early Saturday nights, which used to be prime time, especially to play with people that you don't know.
Like.. It's probably not necessarily a TTT problem. Here is one of the somewhat populated TTT servers
Here is Giant'sLair
That bottom line consistency is just.. I dunno, odd. People at this point are kinda clinging onto the community but don't want to play it seems. Where is the outreach, the server voting, the thing to actually get GL to spread at all rather than just be one of a dozen servers in the list when you click TTT.
anyway. hope it gets sorted. o/
but reading through all of this is just wild. I watched SGM do exactly this. Literally the exact same cycle, except GL somehow did a speedrun. the staff drama, the vibe audits or whatever version of that they had, people building cases against players they just didn't like. it's the same playbook. and SGM is dead now. so that's fun. like jfc, ryan, that bit about jumping in a VC just to record and try and get evidence is fucked, why in the hell are you dedicating your time to that out of literally anything else.
"What'd you do today"
"I collected evidence against a member of an organization that was bringing terror to my company, I was doing intense surveillance and watching them while acting inconspicuous towards my adversary!" (he sat on the sidelines of a VC to record evidence to ban someone from garry's mod)
Like to be fair, I get it, I used to be a mod too on SGM like over 8 years ago and another community before that, I was like 13-14 lmfao, and that was some sorta shit I would do. But uh 'ts ain't tuff' and there's probably other things that time could be better spent doing. Not specifically aimed at Ryan, but more just at the general idea of it again, not being that deep. It's supposed to be fun and mods are supposed to just be the bumpers that keep a bowling ball from going into the gutter, not throwing bricks on the lane and being mad when someone hits them, or doesn't want to play anymore lmao.
I don't think most of the people posting in here are bad people on either side. I think a 20 year old game has a way of making people act like the stakes are extremely high when they're really not. someone making a dumb joke in gen chat is not a federal case. neither is a kill in TTT. the whole thing where people are saving clips and building evidence files and conducting "vibe audits" on players they don't like-.. in a gmod community-.. is genuinely so funny to me if it wasn't also the exact thing that kills these servers every time.
this thread alone is wild that it had to be made in the first place, with so many great points being made and the people they're 'about' literally proving it by getting massively defensive over it or just blatantly ignoring it, or giving it a goofy ass rating without saying anything else lol.
like I dunno, the server seems to be <5 players about 90% of the time, so it might be time to try something different, because whatever is going on currently isn't working super well. it's definitely not related to TTT as a whole, as there are other servers/communities doing alright. Not great, but that's just kinda the way it goes with an old game, I'm surprised it has lasted this long. Good job garry. Hope S&Box wont be as shitty as it felt when I played the old test build. Just name it gmod 2 tho.
But even as I write this at 6AM, there are more than a few TTT servers with 1-2 dozen people, with the most full one being US based, and still populated on a Monday morning lmao. Meanwhile I feel like open GL and see nobody on. Even like early Saturday nights, which used to be prime time, especially to play with people that you don't know.
Like.. It's probably not necessarily a TTT problem. Here is one of the somewhat populated TTT servers
Here is Giant'sLair
That bottom line consistency is just.. I dunno, odd. People at this point are kinda clinging onto the community but don't want to play it seems. Where is the outreach, the server voting, the thing to actually get GL to spread at all rather than just be one of a dozen servers in the list when you click TTT.
anyway. hope it gets sorted. o/
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I 100% agree that this is what casued the fall of ahg I felt this way for months before I left the AHG discord (it officaly closed not long after) but I am/was a stubborn fool who stayed out of spite more then anything else, was I actually targeted or was I a little toxic? I don't know and am unsure most likely a little of both.
that being said I am always trying to be better then I was and I really like how this community is always trying to better itself too
EDIT: finished reading the tread DAMMIT I'm gonna have to find a new discord server aren't I?
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Meatwad420
Member
DAMMIT! Yes bro yes, such is life
Thank you for posting this, this is fantastic quantitative evidence of the impact of the exhausting discord events of April on the TTT serverI've had my own little taste of "the system isn't perfect" recently lmfao and it's not a big deal to me, I moved on. that's kind of my whole thing with this. It just isn't that deep.
but reading through all of this is just wild. I watched SGM do exactly this. Literally the exact same cycle, except GL somehow did a speedrun. the staff drama, the vibe audits or whatever version of that they had, people building cases against players they just didn't like. it's the same playbook. and SGM is dead now. so that's fun. like jfc, ryan, that bit about jumping in a VC just to record and try and get evidence is fucked, why in the hell are you dedicating your time to that out of literally anything else.
"What'd you do today"
"I collected evidence against a member of an organization that was bringing terror to my company, I was doing intense surveillance and watching them while acting inconspicuous towards my adversary!" (he sat on the sidelines of a VC to record evidence to ban someone from garry's mod)
Like to be fair, I get it, I used to be a mod too on SGM like over 8 years ago and another community before that, I was like 13-14 lmfao, and that was some sorta shit I would do. But uh 'ts ain't tuff' and there's probably other things that time could be better spent doing. Not specifically aimed at Ryan, but more just at the general idea of it again, not being that deep. It's supposed to be fun and mods are supposed to just be the bumpers that keep a bowling ball from going into the gutter, not throwing bricks on the lane and being mad when someone hits them, or doesn't want to play anymore lmao.
I don't think most of the people posting in here are bad people on either side. I think a 20 year old game has a way of making people act like the stakes are extremely high when they're really not. someone making a dumb joke in gen chat is not a federal case. neither is a kill in TTT. the whole thing where people are saving clips and building evidence files and conducting "vibe audits" on players they don't like-.. in a gmod community-.. is genuinely so funny to me if it wasn't also the exact thing that kills these servers every time.
this thread alone is wild that it had to be made in the first place, with so many great points being made and the people they're 'about' literally proving it by getting massively defensive over it or just blatantly ignoring it, or giving it a goofy ass rating without saying anything else lol.
like I dunno, the server seems to be <5 players about 90% of the time, so it might be time to try something different, because whatever is going on currently isn't working super well. it's definitely not related to TTT as a whole, as there are other servers/communities doing alright. Not great, but that's just kinda the way it goes with an old game, I'm surprised it has lasted this long. Good job garry. Hope S&Box wont be as shitty as it felt when I played the old test build. Just name it gmod 2 tho.
But even as I write this at 6AM, there are more than a few TTT servers with 1-2 dozen people, with the most full one being US based, and still populated on a Monday morning lmao. Meanwhile I feel like open GL and see nobody on. Even like early Saturday nights, which used to be prime time, especially to play with people that you don't know.
Like.. It's probably not necessarily a TTT problem. Here is one of the somewhat populated TTT servers
Here is Giant'sLair
That bottom line consistency is just.. I dunno, odd. People at this point are kinda clinging onto the community but don't want to play it seems. Where is the outreach, the server voting, the thing to actually get GL to spread at all rather than just be one of a dozen servers in the list when you click TTT.
anyway. hope it gets sorted. o/
I've had my own little taste of "the system isn't perfect" recently lmfao and it's not a big deal to me, I moved on. that's kind of my whole thing with this. It just isn't that deep.
but reading through all of this is just wild. I watched SGM do exactly this. Literally the exact same cycle, except GL somehow did a speedrun. the staff drama, the vibe audits or whatever version of that they had, people building cases against players they just didn't like. it's the same playbook. and SGM is dead now. so that's fun. like jfc, ryan, that bit about jumping in a VC just to record and try and get evidence is fucked, why in the hell are you dedicating your time to that out of literally anything else.
"What'd you do today"
"I collected evidence against a member of an organization that was bringing terror to my company, I was doing intense surveillance and watching them while acting inconspicuous towards my adversary!" (he sat on the sidelines of a VC to record evidence to ban someone from garry's mod)
Like to be fair, I get it, I used to be a mod too on SGM like over 8 years ago and another community before that, I was like 13-14 lmfao, and that was some sorta shit I would do. But uh 'ts ain't tuff' and there's probably other things that time could be better spent doing. Not specifically aimed at Ryan, but more just at the general idea of it again, not being that deep. It's supposed to be fun and mods are supposed to just be the bumpers that keep a bowling ball from going into the gutter, not throwing bricks on the lane and being mad when someone hits them, or doesn't want to play anymore lmao.
I don't think most of the people posting in here are bad people on either side. I think a 20 year old game has a way of making people act like the stakes are extremely high when they're really not. someone making a dumb joke in gen chat is not a federal case. neither is a kill in TTT. the whole thing where people are saving clips and building evidence files and conducting "vibe audits" on players they don't like-.. in a gmod community-.. is genuinely so funny to me if it wasn't also the exact thing that kills these servers every time.
this thread alone is wild that it had to be made in the first place, with so many great points being made and the people they're 'about' literally proving it by getting massively defensive over it or just blatantly ignoring it, or giving it a goofy ass rating without saying anything else lol.
like I dunno, the server seems to be <5 players about 90% of the time, so it might be time to try something different, because whatever is going on currently isn't working super well. it's definitely not related to TTT as a whole, as there are other servers/communities doing alright. Not great, but that's just kinda the way it goes with an old game, I'm surprised it has lasted this long. Good job garry. Hope S&Box wont be as shitty as it felt when I played the old test build. Just name it gmod 2 tho.
But even as I write this at 6AM, there are more than a few TTT servers with 1-2 dozen people, with the most full one being US based, and still populated on a Monday morning lmao. Meanwhile I feel like open GL and see nobody on. Even like early Saturday nights, which used to be prime time, especially to play with people that you don't know.
Like.. It's probably not necessarily a TTT problem. Here is one of the somewhat populated TTT servers
Here is Giant'sLair
That bottom line consistency is just.. I dunno, odd. People at this point are kinda clinging onto the community but don't want to play it seems. Where is the outreach, the server voting, the thing to actually get GL to spread at all rather than just be one of a dozen servers in the list when you click TTT.
anyway. hope it gets sorted. o/
GrilledChikn
New member
I joined GL for TTT. Sad to see yet another server with a good community die because the staff team feels the need to run a dictatorship amongst the player base. At the end of the day its a videogame that people(such as myself) like to play at the end of the day to unwind, but playing GL TTT felt more of a chore than anything. The people who brought engagement on the server were banned(im not super informed on all the details, but understand the broad scope from this post) and when it was called out 80% of the staff team went running. Damn shame. Love to see the community as a whole stand up for each other, hate to see the people chosen to protect said community lose sight of what they signed up for.I've had my own little taste of "the system isn't perfect" recently lmfao and it's not a big deal to me, I moved on. that's kind of my whole thing with this. It just isn't that deep.
but reading through all of this is just wild. I watched SGM do exactly this. Literally the exact same cycle, except GL somehow did a speedrun. the staff drama, the vibe audits or whatever version of that they had, people building cases against players they just didn't like. it's the same playbook. and SGM is dead now. so that's fun. like jfc, ryan, that bit about jumping in a VC just to record and try and get evidence is fucked, why in the hell are you dedicating your time to that out of literally anything else.
"What'd you do today"
"I collected evidence against a member of an organization that was bringing terror to my company, I was doing intense surveillance and watching them while acting inconspicuous towards my adversary!" (he sat on the sidelines of a VC to record evidence to ban someone from garry's mod)
Like to be fair, I get it, I used to be a mod too on SGM like over 8 years ago and another community before that, I was like 13-14 lmfao, and that was some sorta shit I would do. But uh 'ts ain't tuff' and there's probably other things that time could be better spent doing. Not specifically aimed at Ryan, but more just at the general idea of it again, not being that deep. It's supposed to be fun and mods are supposed to just be the bumpers that keep a bowling ball from going into the gutter, not throwing bricks on the lane and being mad when someone hits them, or doesn't want to play anymore lmao.
I don't think most of the people posting in here are bad people on either side. I think a 20 year old game has a way of making people act like the stakes are extremely high when they're really not. someone making a dumb joke in gen chat is not a federal case. neither is a kill in TTT. the whole thing where people are saving clips and building evidence files and conducting "vibe audits" on players they don't like-.. in a gmod community-.. is genuinely so funny to me if it wasn't also the exact thing that kills these servers every time.
this thread alone is wild that it had to be made in the first place, with so many great points being made and the people they're 'about' literally proving it by getting massively defensive over it or just blatantly ignoring it, or giving it a goofy ass rating without saying anything else lol.
like I dunno, the server seems to be <5 players about 90% of the time, so it might be time to try something different, because whatever is going on currently isn't working super well. it's definitely not related to TTT as a whole, as there are other servers/communities doing alright. Not great, but that's just kinda the way it goes with an old game, I'm surprised it has lasted this long. Good job garry. Hope S&Box wont be as shitty as it felt when I played the old test build. Just name it gmod 2 tho.
But even as I write this at 6AM, there are more than a few TTT servers with 1-2 dozen people, with the most full one being US based, and still populated on a Monday morning lmao. Meanwhile I feel like open GL and see nobody on. Even like early Saturday nights, which used to be prime time, especially to play with people that you don't know.
Like.. It's probably not necessarily a TTT problem. Here is one of the somewhat populated TTT servers
Here is Giant'sLair
That bottom line consistency is just.. I dunno, odd. People at this point are kinda clinging onto the community but don't want to play it seems. Where is the outreach, the server voting, the thing to actually get GL to spread at all rather than just be one of a dozen servers in the list when you click TTT.
anyway. hope it gets sorted. o/
RIP Giant's Lair
So, I had originally avoided posting on this because I'm not one that enjoys being in the public eye when it comes to drama. I tend to stay out of drama and deal with the issues as they arise and come to me directly. I realize that I probably should have spoken up a bit earlier pertaining to a lot of what has been going on over the past ~month, but I mainly want to focus on how the community could move forward from all of this.
I don't feel that I need to regurgitate a lot of what was said above me. Much of it is accurate and understandable. I'm going to be fully transparent and say that I do not agree with the bans placed on the group of individuals that have been discussed. I do not agree with the way the situation of how a former staff member weaponized the death of another staff member's relative was initially handled and how it was attempted to be linked to said individuals. I also am inclined to agree with the remarks made earlier in this thread that the initial announcement made felt surface level and ignored a lot of the core issues with the overall community operation (no disrespect to @anna here, she and the rest of leadership are incredible people that are just trying to push through this). With that being said, I don't bear any personal grudges or anything of that nature with @Agennon, even if we have different ideologies with how these events should have played out. I do want to be clear that I stepped down mainly due to the extreme burnout that I am very much feeling from everything and not directly because of the results of the events that transpired, and I am prioritizing my mental health first and foremost. Ultimately, what's done is done, and the fallout exists in a big way - it is now time to figure out what can be learned from all of this and take those learnings and use them to move forward.
I know I am no longer part of the staff team, but the purpose of my post was to focus on where we could go for the future. I want Giant's Lair to succeed. I loaded up Garry's Mod on one random day in October when I was brutally sick just looking to pass some time away, found Giant's Lair on the server list and decided to join, and I was instantly hooked to the TTT and the community. It was a full server and buzzing. To see the TTT server as a shell of its former self is really saddening for me, and speaks to the overall issues that I feel have cultivated. I wanted to throw out some ideas as to how I think we can rebuild the community and staffing team back up, summarized in a list of points below:
There's a few more thoughts rambling through my brain, but I think this is a good starting point.
I know a lot of us are exhausted from the circular conversations and drama that have cultivated. I am not going to sit here and say that it's all over, because there is a hell of a lot of fallout and there may still be some to come from all of this. But I've grown to love this community and all the incredible people that are here, and I hate seeing it this way - let's flip the script and do our best to move forward from this.
I don't feel that I need to regurgitate a lot of what was said above me. Much of it is accurate and understandable. I'm going to be fully transparent and say that I do not agree with the bans placed on the group of individuals that have been discussed. I do not agree with the way the situation of how a former staff member weaponized the death of another staff member's relative was initially handled and how it was attempted to be linked to said individuals. I also am inclined to agree with the remarks made earlier in this thread that the initial announcement made felt surface level and ignored a lot of the core issues with the overall community operation (no disrespect to @anna here, she and the rest of leadership are incredible people that are just trying to push through this). With that being said, I don't bear any personal grudges or anything of that nature with @Agennon, even if we have different ideologies with how these events should have played out. I do want to be clear that I stepped down mainly due to the extreme burnout that I am very much feeling from everything and not directly because of the results of the events that transpired, and I am prioritizing my mental health first and foremost. Ultimately, what's done is done, and the fallout exists in a big way - it is now time to figure out what can be learned from all of this and take those learnings and use them to move forward.
I know I am no longer part of the staff team, but the purpose of my post was to focus on where we could go for the future. I want Giant's Lair to succeed. I loaded up Garry's Mod on one random day in October when I was brutally sick just looking to pass some time away, found Giant's Lair on the server list and decided to join, and I was instantly hooked to the TTT and the community. It was a full server and buzzing. To see the TTT server as a shell of its former self is really saddening for me, and speaks to the overall issues that I feel have cultivated. I wanted to throw out some ideas as to how I think we can rebuild the community and staffing team back up, summarized in a list of points below:
- I want to see the Leads and Admins alike have more autonomy with the way their roles should operate. Leads should have near full autonomy to enact the vision they want to with their server and the community overall (or in the case of @anna , the Discord), and Admins should have the autonomy to execute projects that fall under that Lead's vision they want to for their respective servers to ultimately drive them forward. This is the ultimate accelerant for growth. As an Admin, I did feel there was a "bureaucratic" slowdown that started from the very top - it led to a lot of talking and discussions that felt productive but in reality little was actually getting done, because everything needs a big red stamp from the very top. I felt at certain points like I'm at my real-life job when it comes to this process, lol - it may work for a corporate job, but it absolutely slows everything down when it happens with a gaming community. That needs to change if the community is to bounce back.
- I understand @Agennon has a vision of the community not being strictly TTT, and on a broader sense I do understand where he wants to go with that vision. However, this community as of right now starts with TTT. A heavy portion of the existing community exists because of the East TTT server. It's time to show the East TTT server the love it deserves and have some priority into restoring it - this should start with asking the devs to prioritize quality of life changes that the community wants (at the pace they can, of course - as a former developer for GL I totally understand the time commitments necessary are quite grand) - the primary two being hitreg and weapon balancing. Summer is near, and getting the primary base of players that are still with the community excited and interested again will lead to a wave of newer players in the upcoming summer months where people have more time.
- I also personally believe the EU TTT server has had its time and it is time to call it. I understand the cost to keep it running is relatively cheap, but in my opinion there needs to be a sole focus on getting East back up to speed rather than trying to split efforts maintaining both.
- There should be a separation between the servers staff and the Discord. This expectation that server staff should have to moderate the Discord is a bit strange to me, as it's not something we are trained to do when onboarded or were asked to teach our pickups as Admins until pretty recently. It's overall a bit of a mess right now, and highly inefficient. Having @Siddo there is amazing and will continue to be a huge help in that department, but he can't do it all himself. I am in full support of a separate Discord and/or community staffing team, where concerns of community members that stem from non-gaming platforms can go and be addressed. This also helps take some of the pressure off of @Agennon when it comes to Discord moderation and community concerns.
- Another thing I've noticed is that our outreach I feel can be improved. I like what @Saturnity said on this - what can we do to advertise our TTT server in a way to make it stand out from our competitors? What is our best way forward to attract newer players? I get that GMod is not the way it once was with the concurrent player base, but I still believe TTT can survive and there can be outreach steps taken to try and attract new players, whether through socials/clips or whatever other platform. This also applies to the MC server - how can we put ourselves in a position to be ready to advertise and market the server? I understand that the MC server is not quite ready for that yet on the development side of things, but there should be a plan there and a clear direction for where it should go. I still am surprised that the server IP is not located anywhere aside from a Discord announcement back in February - at the very least it should display somewhere on the forums. I know for a fact @;) knows where he wants to take MC, and going back to my first point, should have the autonomy to lead it there, and with that comes the whole marketing and outreach aspect of it.
There's a few more thoughts rambling through my brain, but I think this is a good starting point.
I know a lot of us are exhausted from the circular conversations and drama that have cultivated. I am not going to sit here and say that it's all over, because there is a hell of a lot of fallout and there may still be some to come from all of this. But I've grown to love this community and all the incredible people that are here, and I hate seeing it this way - let's flip the script and do our best to move forward from this.
tz-
New member
As a complete outsider to this situation; it is REALLY disappointing to see.
I'm a person that disagrees with a lot of things, however I very heavily sympathize with what this community has had to go through as a result. No one person or group deserves to be targeted like this in a place like this. This is a fucking Garry's Mod TTT and Minecraft community. We should be talking about Garry's Mod and Minecraft updates; not what happening in the US, not what's happening in the world, nothing like that. We should be talking about Mojang adding new animals and how Garry doesn't care about this game anymore.
You are all too online. You want to think of what is "right" but don't understand that your own thoughts are being influenced by things around you, how others perceive you, and by your own preconception of how someone might perceive you as a member of this "community," rather than being authentic to one another. It seems like you idiots can't see another living human being's point of view on a situation, and would rather villainize someone over an arbitrary ruleset, than try to see where they're coming from and humanize with them.
You all want to be friends, you all want to be with the "in group." You want everyone to get along and be so close to each other, but fail to see that as long as you have a policing force in the community you can never truly have equals. The policing body is always going to be close with one another, and be the "face" of the community. And because of that the community members that frequent this space are going to want to be close with that "popular group," who is actually actively waiting for them to makes a mistake and punish them for it. The community member that was trying to have an honest moment of connection with the "face of the community" and subsequently gets punished for it, is obviously going to bear resent towards you.
That's never going to work. We've seen it happen what, 4 or 6 times now? STTT almost died 3-4 times; finally did and then you guys went through 3 different communities and never learned that this whole popularity contest is what kills the community ever single fucking time. You can't keep making this exclusive "in group" within the community and then wondering why the rest of the community eventually ends up rebelling against that "in group" with a misappropriate power to the people.
You guys are all fucking idiots, have never made a community full of equals, and then wondered why everyone gets mad at each other. THE STAFF TEAM IS THE REAL COMMUNITY. YOU ALL SELECTIVELY CHOOSE ONE ANOTHER AND THEN GET UPSET WHEN THE UNCHOOSEN STICK AROUND INSTEAD OF TELLING THEM THAT THEY'RE UNWELCOME!! You want to say you will include everyone, but obviously ignore the very clear reasons as to why not everyone gets along and why certain people were removed from the past communities.
A lot of the discussion lately has been about how this community is repeating past failures, and how it's going to fail. Yet none of you are talking about how you're going to change and better yourselves in order to keep going. Jabba made an announcement about changes, and some of you have expressed your displeasure with that. But he's the only one actively trying to do something different, actually take a stance and remove the people he doesn't like and deems an adversary to the community and to the "in group." Yet I already know that you guys are gonna keep clinging on to your weak hope and desires, sweep this whole thing under the rug because enough of you decided to put up with it, keep your mouth shut and keep pushing onto the next day. But guess what? This dickhead Jabba tried to give you all a space, but YOU motherfuckers allowed this to happen again. You couldn't get along with each other because maybe you wanted to part of the "popular kids" as well, but look at where it got you guys again.
You guys decided to form another clique within each other and the community, and then want to act confused when the community isn't one cohesive group that gets along with each other.
Hopefully in the next attempt at a community or discord server you guys will realize that you really want it to be an "invite only" kind of place and not make the weak attempt at including everyone. Or maybe give the community more autonomy on what happens here. I don't know, your TTT server isn't even active enough for me to be here enough. I'm just a slut for drama.
good luck retards
I'm a person that disagrees with a lot of things, however I very heavily sympathize with what this community has had to go through as a result. No one person or group deserves to be targeted like this in a place like this. This is a fucking Garry's Mod TTT and Minecraft community. We should be talking about Garry's Mod and Minecraft updates; not what happening in the US, not what's happening in the world, nothing like that. We should be talking about Mojang adding new animals and how Garry doesn't care about this game anymore.
You are all too online. You want to think of what is "right" but don't understand that your own thoughts are being influenced by things around you, how others perceive you, and by your own preconception of how someone might perceive you as a member of this "community," rather than being authentic to one another. It seems like you idiots can't see another living human being's point of view on a situation, and would rather villainize someone over an arbitrary ruleset, than try to see where they're coming from and humanize with them.
You all want to be friends, you all want to be with the "in group." You want everyone to get along and be so close to each other, but fail to see that as long as you have a policing force in the community you can never truly have equals. The policing body is always going to be close with one another, and be the "face" of the community. And because of that the community members that frequent this space are going to want to be close with that "popular group," who is actually actively waiting for them to makes a mistake and punish them for it. The community member that was trying to have an honest moment of connection with the "face of the community" and subsequently gets punished for it, is obviously going to bear resent towards you.
That's never going to work. We've seen it happen what, 4 or 6 times now? STTT almost died 3-4 times; finally did and then you guys went through 3 different communities and never learned that this whole popularity contest is what kills the community ever single fucking time. You can't keep making this exclusive "in group" within the community and then wondering why the rest of the community eventually ends up rebelling against that "in group" with a misappropriate power to the people.
You guys are all fucking idiots, have never made a community full of equals, and then wondered why everyone gets mad at each other. THE STAFF TEAM IS THE REAL COMMUNITY. YOU ALL SELECTIVELY CHOOSE ONE ANOTHER AND THEN GET UPSET WHEN THE UNCHOOSEN STICK AROUND INSTEAD OF TELLING THEM THAT THEY'RE UNWELCOME!! You want to say you will include everyone, but obviously ignore the very clear reasons as to why not everyone gets along and why certain people were removed from the past communities.
A lot of the discussion lately has been about how this community is repeating past failures, and how it's going to fail. Yet none of you are talking about how you're going to change and better yourselves in order to keep going. Jabba made an announcement about changes, and some of you have expressed your displeasure with that. But he's the only one actively trying to do something different, actually take a stance and remove the people he doesn't like and deems an adversary to the community and to the "in group." Yet I already know that you guys are gonna keep clinging on to your weak hope and desires, sweep this whole thing under the rug because enough of you decided to put up with it, keep your mouth shut and keep pushing onto the next day. But guess what? This dickhead Jabba tried to give you all a space, but YOU motherfuckers allowed this to happen again. You couldn't get along with each other because maybe you wanted to part of the "popular kids" as well, but look at where it got you guys again.
You guys decided to form another clique within each other and the community, and then want to act confused when the community isn't one cohesive group that gets along with each other.
Hopefully in the next attempt at a community or discord server you guys will realize that you really want it to be an "invite only" kind of place and not make the weak attempt at including everyone. Or maybe give the community more autonomy on what happens here. I don't know, your TTT server isn't even active enough for me to be here enough. I'm just a slut for drama.
good luck retardsAs a complete outsider to this situation; it is REALLY disappointing to see.
I'm a person that disagrees with a lot of things, however I very heavily sympathize with what this community has had to go through as a result. No one person or group deserves to be targeted like this in a place like this. This is a fucking Garry's Mod TTT and Minecraft community. We should be talking about Garry's Mod and Minecraft updates; not what happening in the US, not what's happening in the world, nothing like that. We should be talking about Mojang adding new animals and how Garry doesn't care about this game anymore.
You are all too online. You want to think of what is "right" but don't understand that your own thoughts are being influenced by things around you, how others perceive you, and by your own preconception of how someone might perceive you as a member of this "community," rather than being authentic to one another. It seems like you idiots can't see another living human being's point of view on a situation, and would rather villainize someone over an arbitrary ruleset, than try to see where they're coming from and humanize with them.
You all want to be friends, you all want to be with the "in group." You want everyone to get along and be so close to each other, but fail to see that as long as you have a policing force in the community you can never truly have equals. The policing body is always going to be close with one another, and be the "face" of the community. And because of that the community members that frequent this space are going to want to be close with that "popular group," who is actually actively waiting for them to makes a mistake and punish them for it. The community member that was trying to have an honest moment of connection with the "face of the community" and subsequently gets punished for it, is obviously going to bear resent towards you.
That's never going to work. We've seen it happen what, 4 or 6 times now? STTT almost died 3-4 times; finally did and then you guys went through 3 different communities and never learned that this whole popularity contest is what kills the community ever single fucking time. You can't keep making this exclusive "in group" within the community and then wondering why the rest of the community eventually ends up rebelling against that "in group" with a misappropriate power to the people.
You guys are all fucking idiots, have never made a community full of equals, and then wondered why everyone gets mad at each other. THE STAFF TEAM IS THE REAL COMMUNITY. YOU ALL SELECTIVELY CHOOSE ONE ANOTHER AND THEN GET UPSET WHEN THE UNCHOOSEN STICK AROUND INSTEAD OF TELLING THEM THAT THEY'RE UNWELCOME!! You want to say you will include everyone, but obviously ignore the very clear reasons as to why not everyone gets along and why certain people were removed from the past communities.
A lot of the discussion lately has been about how this community is repeating past failures, and how it's going to fail. Yet none of you are talking about how you're going to change and better yourselves in order to keep going. Jabba made an announcement about changes, and some of you have expressed your displeasure with that. But he's the only one actively trying to do something different, actually take a stance and remove the people he doesn't like and deems an adversary to the community and to the "in group." Yet I already know that you guys are gonna keep clinging on to your weak hope and desires, sweep this whole thing under the rug because enough of you decided to put up with it, keep your mouth shut and keep pushing onto the next day. But guess what? This dickhead Jabba tried to give you all a space, but YOU motherfuckers allowed this to happen again. You couldn't get along with each other because maybe you wanted to part of the "popular kids" as well, but look at where it got you guys again.
You guys decided to form another clique within each other and the community, and then want to act confused when the community isn't one cohesive group that gets along with each other.
Hopefully in the next attempt at a community or discord server you guys will realize that you really want it to be an "invite only" kind of place and not make the weak attempt at including everyone. Or maybe give the community more autonomy on what happens here. I don't know, your TTT server isn't even active enough for me to be here enough. I'm just a slut for drama.
